Logitech Squeezebox Boom / UE Radio Bass Woofer Repair
Here are some screenshots from Audacity where I created the samples:
left-only |
right-only |
both channels |
left-only, resulting OGG waveform |
right-only, resulting OGG waveform |
EDIT 2017-04-25: I reduced the volume of the tick channel, it was just too loud. I also found that a Boom apparently never plays one channel solo. The "only left" and "only right" OGG files are clean as can be seen in the screenshots above. Despite that, the Boom is moving both woofers at all times. I think the explanation is that if one woofer is moving, it is also moving air inside the air-tight Boom's body, and creating pressure differences. The other woofer may move just as a result without being actively driven as it is the only point where the pressure difference can be equalized. So imagine the left woofer moves outward. This reduces pressure inside the Boom body. As a result, the right woofer is being pulled in, just from the negative pressure.
This effect will also cause the stereo samples to fail because both woofers are driven simultaneously so the basically cancel each other out. The result is that both are trying to create the same pressure differential. Both moving outward will cause the internal "vacuum" to keep them from freely doing so, and likewise both moving inward will stop them after a bit because of the internal pressure peak.
It's an interesting matter, and pretty sure the SlimDevices engineers had to take it into account in their DSP design.
So testing with these samples is not 100% accurate unless you remove the speaker faceplate from the back side of the housing. Only then will both woofers be able to move completely unaffected by each other.
So the best way to point out defective woofers is putting your face next to the Boom, nose next to the knob, for the best possible separation, playing the left-only or right-only files, and in each case carefully listening to both sides. It gets easier and safer only when you disassemble the housing as shown below.
EDIT 2019-02-08: I have provided some videos of a 30Hz sine wave and some bass-heavy music here:
Squeezebox Boom Farting Bass Syndrome with Music
Squeezebox Boom Farting Bass Syndrome @ 30Hz
(Wish me luck. Hope they won't block these videos for whatever reason.)
Example 1: left side, tear near the bottom |
Example 2: right side, tear near top |
Example 3: right side, tear at the top right section |
Tools Needed
- a T10 torx screwdriver (shaft length > 4cm is recommended). Use one with a big grip for good torque. You will need that for undoing the eight screws that hold the case together. They are so tight that one might believe they were fixed when the case was still hot from the mold
- a spudger or flat but stable piece of plastic to get off the grilles
- straight pliers
- a stronger sewing needle to remove glue from the screws that hold the bass woofers in place. You need to do this in order to make the screws operable again. They are soaked up in hardened glue so much that the torx screwdriver will not lock
- lots and lots and lots and lots of patience
- a pair of nail scissors (or any other sort of precision scissors)
- a rasp to remove glue remains
- a blade, knife, or a scalpel (for the brave)
- replacement speaker foam surround for each defective woofer
- repair glue
How to Get to the Speakers - Boom Disassembly
- remove the speaker grilles (left and right)
- unscrew the control panel, four T10 torx screws (one in each corner)
- pull the control panel flat flex cable
- unscrew the mainboard, five T10 torx screws (one in each corner and one in the center)
- pull the mainboard out, thereby undoing the speaker connector
- unscrew the front half of the case, eight T10 torx screws
- pull the front piece of the case out
- remove glue from the four torx screws that hold each bass woofer
- unplug and unscrew the woofer(s) in question, four T10 torx screws each
Disassembly: Remove the Speaker Grilles
The grilles are attached to the case with rubber-covered tabs. I recommend using a flat spudger that can be pushed in between the outer case rim and the grille. Take care here because the outer case rim is plastic so it is very delicate. You may easily leave marks there that look ugly ever after. So be very gentle and take your time.Once we're in, lift the grille a bit but do not try to remove it completely yet. Do not use the case rim to crank the grille away because that might ruin the look.
The same needs to be done on the other end. There are also fixing tabs on the outer edge of each grille but they will give way once the upper and lower edge are free.
Eventually this is what you see:
Disassembly: Loosen Control Panel
Next level: let's undo the control panel because it is in the way later. First undo these four TX10 screws:Disassembly: Undo Control Panel Flat Flex and Remove Control Panel
Once the control panel is loose, be aware that there is a short flat flex ribbon cable in the bottom right corner that needs to be loosened on one of its ends. I find it easier to remove the mainboard-side end of it. This is what you will see when you lift the control panel (gently!)Just grab the flat flex cable and pull it away from the connector. This should not be done more often than absolutely necessary because the blade contacts in the connector begin to damage the cable contacts after about five times unplugging and reconnecting. You may end with a broken flat flex, and these things are close to unobtanium.
Disassembly: Remove Mainboard
With the control panel gone, we see the mainboard in all its glory:Loosen five TX10 screws in these positions. They are the same length as the four we have already removed earlier. Keep in mind the positions and orientation of the two metal tabs beneath both the top screws:
The ribbon cable in the top-right corner connects the snooze buttons at the top of the device. Pull it out gently
The mainboard won't come out easily because the speaker connector on the back is still plugged in. It is positioned behind the left side of the VFD display.
To remove the mainboard, push the backside connection panel inwards - do this more to the right. If you feel that nothing is moving, there might be glue between the board and the case. Be extra gentle then. Keep pushing with as little force as possible. The glue should tear off eventually. If you are too violent or do this too quickly, the SMD components on the board which are covered by the glue might be torn away.
You will notice that the left side of the board cannot be lifted much. A little more room can be made by lifting the board on the right side and pushing it to the right a bit until its left edge can face towards the backside of the case as shown here:
Eventually here is the speaker connector. It's a really firm connection and the wires are pretty short so there is not much room to work:
I recommend the pliers to pull the plug out (away from the connector). If that does not fully succeed, you can also try to pull the entire board away - but well-controlled, please:
Congratulations, you are now here:
Disassembly: Remove Front Case Piece
Now you will see why we need a long-shaft TX10 screwdriver. Six of the eight screws we need to undo are deeply buried, and they are incredibly firmly stuck in there, too:So be ready for some heavy torque. The first time it seems as if they are not designed to go out at all, and doing the same thing again later still requires some muscles.
These eight screws are considerably longer than the ones extracted so far so keep them apart from the others and don't confuse them later.
After the screws are out, the halves of the case are held together only by a sealing rubber strip inside. You will have to pull the front piece away from the back like so:
It is not shown in the photo but the back half needs to be pulled in the other direction. It is easiest if two people are involved. I would not recommend using tools like the spudger here because prying open will hurt the delicate plastic surfaces.
If you are done, this is what you see:
We don't need the back case so put it somewhere safe.
Please note that a black rubber band is going around the edge as a seal. It starts at the lower left corner, then goes around the entire edge, and comes back to the same point. As the rubber band is usually a bit longer than needed, the excess goes to the inside of the housing through a little slit that also ensures the seal stays in place. Sometimes it does not, so please remember this matter in the reassembly phase.
IMPORTANT: The tweeters protrude from the frame by 1 or 2 millimeters. If you put the front plate face down, they will touch the workbench surface which may give them a dent! This is what I mean:
So please consider putting something underneath to ensure that the tweeters don't touch anything. I am using three CD jewel cases here, one in the middle and two on the outer edges. Note that the tweeters (top left and right) now have the clearance needed:
Disassembly: Clean Speaker Fixing Screws
The bass woofers are held down each by another four TX10 screws which are initially covered in a white or yellowish glue blob. You will have to remove as much as possible of that adhesive because the screws are inoperable otherwise. The most important part is to remove the glue from the star-shaped socket in the screw head. I recommend a sewing needle that you poke inside the glue and then lever / lift it out:The screw head should then look like this or better:
Even if there is surrounding glue left, turning the screw will loosen it whereas the glue remains around it. That's okay for now.
Do not attempt to push your TX10 bit through the adhesive (without removing any of it first). That will damage the screw head and push the adhesive even further into the head.
To disconnect the speaker from the wires, use the pliers again. The connectors each have a different width so they cannot be connected in the wrong polarity. If the connectors do not give way easily, wiggle them to the sides a bit while pulling. Note that there is a small white piece of board to connect the metal tabs to the copper wires that go to the speaker cone. This board will bend considerably - do not overstress it.
With the woofer out, you see that it sat on a large rubber o-ring. What you also see is that beneath that, there is a plastic edge. It is a 45° bevel, however, the outermost edge of it is what may cause many speaker surrounds to fail if touched. You may consider sanding this edge to take off the 45° edge, or even widening the entire opening to reduce the risk of the new speaker surround touching any part of the housing. This is admittedly a bit over-cautious and only rarely needed.
The following detail shows where to smooth out the bevel's edge. The yellow mark is just a section to show the exact position of the edge in question.
And here is what superglue does to that rubber ring. The speaker was firmly stuck down here and needed to be torn off, doing considerable damage.
If you face something like this, you will also have to take extensive care of the edge around the opening because the remains of the superglue create another sharp-edged damage point for the new speaker.
Easy Repair / The Expensive Way
logitech (ue,radio,boom) 170089
You may want to read the guide anyway because in the long run it's the only way to get back to a good bass.
B: positive terminal size: 5.2mm
C: mounting hole diameter: 4mm
E: depth of the driver from the mounting flange to the back of the magnet: 59mm
F: diameter of the opening in the front case baffle: 72mm
G: distance between the edge of the front baffle hole and the centre of one of the mounting screw holes: 9.5mm
Advanced Repair / Cheaper but Demanding
Edit 2022-01-16: for USA and Canada folks, this might be an interesting offering:
https://www.simplyspeakers.com/speaker-foam-edge-repair-kit-fsk-3.html
In the EU, this is my preferred source:
Surrounds: https://speakerrepairshop.nl/index.php?item=foam-ring--3-inch--for-logitech-squeezebox-boom-woofer&action=article&group_id=10000028&aid=3853&lang=enWhen you are done outside, cut the other side of the surround. This is where the process requires a lot of attention. Prefer taking only just a little of the material away in multiple rounds. Do not cut into the cone! Leave about 3.5mm of the original surround on the cone because that's the area where it covers the cone material which appears to be merely a sort of thick paper. It is easily cut, torn, or bent, all of which should not happen. So cut the soft material away first, which also helps you get a better overview.
After this step, you should have this:
Seen from the top:
This is not a good base to mount the new surround yet. First the remainder on the cone should be removed to the minimum. Cut that down further to achieve a circular cut (or at least close to a circle). Do not cut beyond the radius that gives you considerably more resistance during cutting.
The result: another piece of the original surround is away now. What is left of it on the cone needs to stay.
I have tried to cut the remains of the original surround away from the cone with a scalpel to leave only the cone material itself. But the glue is so dense that I actually needed three blades. And it was not really much of a success. I cut into the cone accidentally, and as you need to apply exactly the right amount of force and maintain a precise angle at the same time, it is almost impossible to get that right. So for now I recommend leaving the inner ring of the surround and putting the new one on top of that.
Now for the piece of the original surround that is stuck down on the metal cage. It is far less delicate than the cone so we can get a little more violent here:
I used a firm blade and really quite an amount of force because this stuff does not come off easily. First you have a rubber layer, and below that, some really powerful superglue. You need to shave most of it off.
At this point, it's time for some advice.
Caution!
Make sure nothing hits the cone! While this glue removal is really strenuous, you need to make very controlled movements. Cutting into the cone is likely to be fatal. Hitting the cone too hard may cause the magnet coil on the other end to be deformed which is also fatal.
Here is some theory about the matter.
To illustrate, a schematic cross-section of a typical speaker with the main components:
So we have the stiff metal frame that protects the cone. The magnet is at the bottom of the frame. The cone is the main moving part. It is suspended at the top by the surround, and by a so-called "spider" at the bottom. It's the yellow-ish diaphragm that stabilizes the cone just above the magnet. Aside from guidance it also protects the voice coil from dust ingress. The dust cap also serves the purpose of preventing dust from getting into the inside of the magnet.
The voice coil is a thin pipe-shaped piece (called the "former") with isolated copper wire wrapped around it on the side facing outwards. It is firmly connected to the bottom of the cone. The electrical connection to the coil is made by two wire strands that go from the terminal through the coil, typically in a point just below the dust cap. (not visible in the picture)
The voice coil reaches into the magnet in a slim groove that goes all around. Manufactures try to make this groove as narrow as possible to minimize losses, so it never touches the magnet but is very close to it along its entire length. But this also means there must not be any contamination, hence the dust protection, and there is not much play for the components involved.
Imagine the top surround is missing as we are working on its replacement, and you accidentally hit the cone at the top, putting it askew. This will propagate down to the coil which may physically hit the magnet and be deformed:
As a result, the voice coil may now permanently rub against the magnet, and as its outside consists of isolated very thin copper wire, this isolation may be lost at some point. Apart from the unwanted sound that the parts touching generate, the loss of isolation may cause short circuits or weaken the magnetic properties. In a very brutal case, the voice coil former may even detach from the cone. This will render the speaker useless.
So the entire cone assembly is not designed to go any other direction than towards the magnet or away from it. Any other movement should be as gentle as possible. As the coil is unreachable in a hidden place, there is no way to check if it was deformed, or get it back into shape. If this happened, you might notice a faint grinding or scratching sound as you push the cone in. Let's hope this never happens as the speaker is beyond repairability then.
If you don't care much about the black finish (which is hidden anyway once the speaker is mounted), you might consider using sandpaper or even an electric grinder to get rid of the rubber and glue. As the cone does not protrude there is little chance of damaging it thereby. But I did that and found the result is not very compelling - I'll show you what I mean in a minute.
I went the hard way and scratched away as much as I could by hand:
Which left me with this result:
Here's another closeup of the metal surface. I went too deep in some places where you can see the metal shine through. The surface should be smooth and even to allow for the new surround to be level and free of any warping. It's no problem if a layer of the old glue is still present. It appears to be really hard, and will easily take another layer of glue on top of itself.
Before you apply the glue, clean the surfaces with Isopropyl alcohol or something of that sort. There should not be any dust or flakes left of the old glue. Do not use acetone or paint thinner because they might cause the remaining rubber material on the cone to become brittle which would decrease the surface available to stick down the new surround:
After that, apply a tiny amount of glue to the inner ring surface. Avoid the cone.
Next up, the metal frame:
The outer 3mm of the outside ring should be free of adhesive because the surround won't cover the surface completely. Therefore, around the new surround, some excess glue will stay sticky forever as you can see in the following image :(
So you will be better off using less glue and spreading it to places where needed. It might help if you do a dry exercise before with no glue, and see how far the surround goes.
Now for one of the most critical parts. The surround should have an optimal position, i.e. should be perfectly centered. It is easier if you start with the cone and try to put the new surround in a way that it covers the remains of the old surround to the same amount all around the cone. You may have to remove the surround again and start over. The glue is quite forgiving but take care that you do not stress the surround too much, otherwise its lifetime may suffer.
There is no photo of it unfortunately, but I found that putting a thin film of glue on the inner ring of the surround before mounting it creates a much better result, compared to gluing only the cone outer ring. But again, do be careful not to apply too much glue. When you push the surfaces together, any excess glue will squeeze out and ruin the result.
To avoid that, go around the innermost area of the glued area first to ensure that if glue is squeezing anywhere, it will not go to the front facing side and smear onto the cone, but rather get distributed outside / to the underside of the surround where it does far less harm. I used another cotton bud here that I pushed down where the overlap begins, then turned the entire chassis around. I did that multiple times, stepping further out with the cotton bud. Do not give it too much pressure at this time because the glue is still very liquid and may still be pushed inside where you don't want it. Or even worse, you might pull the surround partly off so it might have to be centered from scratch.
During the hours and days after the repair, revisit the woofer from time to time and push the glued areas of the surround down gently if anything has lifted. It will settle eventually if the whole thing was centered right.
By the way, a slow turntable is a great tool for tasks like these. It helps to create a nice layer of glue, and also reveals irregularities easily.
Notes on Reassembly
Putting the device back together is basically doing the above backwards but there are a few things to note:- check all connections. The metal tab connectors of the new speaker chassis should have the cables attached in the right polarity. Double-check this as you won't get back to this place easily later.
- check speaker alignment. Do both woofers fit exactly? Did all screws go back in easily and to the same extent in all places? If not, reseating may be required.
- check the black rubber seal that tightens the cavity created between the back case and front plate. It should not protrude anywhere, except where both ends meet and go inside. Ensure that it sits nicely in the groove the back case provides, or it may get crushed during assembly, reducing air-tightness, and as a result the sound quality may suffer
- in case you removed the rubber backplate on the connector "daughterboard", place it back where it belongs. This is easiest if you put on the lower edge first, align it to the connectors, and then push the upper side of the backplate. It should click into place eventually. Verify that the surface is flush with the connectors. Take your time, this is also an important part for keeping the case sealed
- plus the following:
Snooze Button Ribbon Cable
When you reassemble the case back into one, make sure you don't forget about that tiny little ribbon cable from the snooze button:If you overlook the cable, it will stay hidden inside the case and leave the snooze button nonfunctional.
Make sure the cable sticks out at the maximum length, and pull it gently while pushing the case back together (this may appear harder to do right than you think):
If you don't pull, the available piece of the cable may be too short eventually and pulling is no use then because the rubber seal between the case front and back side fixes it really strongly. So this must be done before or during the case is reassembled and fixed with the eight long TX10 screws.
Speaker Cable
As before, there is not much room to move the speaker connector back where it belongs. So place the board with its left edge facing the main board recess in the case so the connector and plug are close together. Then align them and push them together with the pliers. It is very hard to do this by hand. The connector may seem fast but actually it might still be loose. If you use pliers, it is much easier. Squeeze until the connection clicks into place:Sanity Check
After mounting the mainboard might be a good time to verify the results of your repair progress so far. Even though the control panel is not yet attached, you can power up the Boom. If you are using Wi-Fi, the only connection you actually need is the power plug. Wait until the box has finished initializing, then use the infrared remote control or the SqueezeServer web interface to have the box play the test samples and some music. Also verify that the woofers as well as the tweeters work properly on both channels. If anything seems wrong, a typical reason is that the speaker connector is still loose and does not provide good contact.If everything is alright, disconnect the Boom from power again.
Mainboard Fixing Screws / Metal Tabs
Make sure you place the metal tabs the way they were before. Note that the top-right metal tab pushes down on the snooze button ribbon cable so the cable must run beneath the metal tab, not across:The smaller metal tab belongs to the upper left corner screw, and points outwards just like the smaller portion of the tab on the right side.
Previous FAIL
#1
Now here's a little gallery of my progress and former failures. Today I fixed the third chassis. The first one was really an accident in comparison:There are many problems here, the most evident one being the excessive use of glue everywhere. As this was my first, I thought the glue might dry off and get un-sticky eventually. That's why I glued the outside surfaces, too, just assuming it would help to connect the surfaces better. But the glue never dried completely ever since, so if this woofer is pushed into its end position in the Boom case, it will stick to it firmly, making it hard to remove it again without damaging the surround. It will stick to the case for sure, and just as well stick to the speaker, so it will probably tear. I might have to cover the outside ring with paper or something to prevent this from happening. The glue on the cone will attract dust and become pretty ugly over time.
Secondly, the surround is poorly centered. You can see in the photo that it is shifted to the right by 1mm approximately. The resulting problem is that cone movement will not elevate the surround evenly. It is designed to be moved only in the axis that the cone is moving but will also experience pinching and squeezing where the degrees of freedom are reduced. Even if that happens ever so slightly, it will reduce the lifetime expectancy of this surround drastically. It might even be audible right from the start that something is not right.
And last but not least, I used my Dremel with this unit to grind the glue away from the metal frame, and quickly hit the metal. Once that had happened, I went around the entire frame to at least make it look the same all around. It may be functional but is just ugly.
I need to confess that I was too impatient back then, too. Even though there was no need to, I did it in a hassle and underestimated the impact on the result.
#2
The next attempt ended considerably better. There is still too much glue involved (you see it squeezed out to the cone) but the centering is better this time. The photo may suggest otherwise but that is just an optical illusion. Also I left most of the black finish intact on the frame.#3
Eventually number three that I finished today. There is practically no excess glue inside and just a little outside. If the new surround were black, it would be hard to differentiate it from the original.It's still not ten out of ten because there is glue left on the metal frame (still used too much) that might need to be covered but otherwise the repair went really fine. If you pay attention to the advice above, chances are good that your first repair will end up with something like this.
Good luck!
Final Words
Please let the speaker cure for some days (!) before powering it. The glue needs a lot of time to get firm enough to do its job.
High-end enthusiasts should consider doing the repair on both woofers at once even if only one has a problem. That's because the sound characteristics of the chassis will probably change a little bit, and it might be disturbing to find a different sound on the left than on the right. For most of us that's not a concern. Just mentioning...
If you are in need of a repair kit, contact me at johannesfranke74@gmail.com. Worldwide shipping for a reasonable price is possible. I can offer speaker repair service, too, but thanks to the extreme charges for long-range parcel services, it makes sense only inside the EU.
Some legal stuff because you never know: please bear in mind that I am writing this as a hobbyist, not a professional. I describe personal ideas here which is only one of many ways such a repair can be achieved. I cannot guarantee that following this guide will lead to a good result, and cannot be held liable for any personal, physical, or monetary damage anybody suffers by following this guide.
I am open to advice if anything described here is wrong or can be done better. Please let me know in the comments if you find there is anything left to be desired.
Thank you!
Hallo Joe,
ReplyDeletedanke für die tollen Infos, die Bilder und die Links zu den Ersatzteilen. Ich habe dich noch einmal über das Squeezebox Forum kontaktiert (sehe nicht wie das hier gehen könnte).
Viele Grüße aus Hamburg
Andreas / andi_boom
Brilliant guide. Many thanks for your work, and, for publishing it in the amiable form as it is
ReplyDeleteReally good article. As a fan of Squeezebox (radios, ex-boom, touch) owner, I still feel that such a wonderful product should not been abandoned by Logitech.
ReplyDeleteThanks a lot for the guidance. I've now ordered the repair kit and I hope to have more success with that than with my previous attempts at fixing the problem (fixing the cracks with silicone works somewhat but doesn't last very long).
ReplyDeleteJohannes - thanks for the detailed guide. Your instructions made for a very easy repair. My boom sounds great again, and since it is one of the very early versions signed by both Tim Westergren and Sean Adams I'm really glad I was able to restore it to its former glory. Cheers, Ken
ReplyDeleteThanks, that is just what I was looking for. Much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteExcellent guide, thanks very much for putting it together.
ReplyDeleteNeat! It seems like pretty much 100% of those speakers fail over time, whether or not they were used. We never did find the root-cause because Logitech got rid of the Squeezebox group before they started failing. They put us over on that wonderful product -- google TV. I quit shortly after that :-/ Squeezebox was what I really cared about.
ReplyDeleteDid you think they may works?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ebay.it/itm/2pcs-For-Logitech-3-inch-4Ohm-45W-Full-Range-Speaker-Stereo-Woofer-Loudspeaker-/122434028511?hash=item1c81a303df:g:SoUAAOSw~CFY5lRn
hi there, looks like a perfect fit to me, not even expensive at ~36EUR for two. What is also great is that they are in new condition. The item number 170089-0000 is the same as in the Boom speakers. The only thing these replacements are missing is a rubber ring at the back side of the magnet to isolate against the Boom housing. I think that can be improvised though.
DeleteThanks for the advice anyway!
Glad to help your work and your great site
DeleteMay you suggest a method for the missing rubber ring?
Regards
Just measured one of them. The material is a rather tight foam, not rubber so it is soft. It can be compressed easily to just a fraction of a millimeter in height.
ReplyDeleteThe outer diameter is 40mm and the inner is around 18mm. The thickness is around 2.5mm uncompressed. One of the images above shows both woofers from behind so both rings are visible. You can also see the counter side in the back of the housing where it becomes apparent that the hole in the woofer's back should not be covered. It is connected to the inside of the housing by its own little channel. So *do not* use a simple round adhesive pad, you will need a ring with a hole in it with a minimum diameter of 10mm (which is the diameter of the hole in the speaker backside cap).
I did a little research, albeit with little success. Nobody sells exactly these, or I used off criteria.
My approach would be the self-adhesive sticky foam pads which I am also using for Boom and Classic display repairs (see the respective posts in the navigation bar of this blog). Nobody claims these rubber spacers need to be round or air-tight. You could just arrange them in a square and it would probably work just as well.
Anyway, this is not as critical as it seems. The important thing is to put just anything between the woofer and the housing to prevent vibrations between both parts to create rattling or other distortion by touching each other. And it should let the air channel in the woofer connect to the inside of the housing somehow.
The outer diameter should be 40mm or more (any larger size will do just as well), and the inner hole should be 10mm or more. The thickness should not exceed 1mm if you buy rubber because it compresses far less than foam. If you find a ring made of foam, the thickness is practically insignificant. So almost any replacement will do.
Great guide, thank you! I just repaired my own Boom the weekend with a new ring. The old one was torn for about 1/3 of the diameter. The construction of the Boom is very good, no dust inside at all after 7 years of use. It was very easy to take apart and re-assemble. Because of all your warnings, I initially applied too little glue, but in the end I think I found the right dose. The sound is great again, and I can hear no difference between the left and right speaker. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteGreat guide...thanks for posting!
ReplyDeleteAm looking to order replacement woofers for my boom and found these.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1pcs-For-logitech-3-inch-4Ohm-4-20W-full-range-speakers-Loudspeaker-car-Audio-/132099358553?var=&hash=item1ec1bc3f59:m:mI_jMBNG8XbjfwZYZmNvYUw
noticed there are two versions - without terminal line or with. Which one do I need? Thanks in advance!
Hi there, good find, looks like these are good replacements. You do not need the terminal wires, I think if they are included it just means that a cable is attached to the speaker which you would have to remove anyway. The Boom has internal wiring which you connect directly to each speaker's connectors so there is no need to buy more than just the speakers.
DeleteGood luck with your repair! :o)
Thanks for the quick reply! Have gone ahead and ordered.
DeleteI am also looking at replacing the VFD which is starting to show its age. I think you mentioned in that repair article that you might have access through Noritake local. Please let me know if yes and shipping to Canada.
Thanks,
Van
Dear Van, please send me an e-mail to jf [at] jf-it-services.de, I can offer you a MN16032G display (which is same as Logitech used in manufacturing) for 40 EUR plus shipping (which is around 7 EUR). It's crazy but Noritake in the US charge double that price for the same display as they are not interested in supplying small amounts to non-companies. It is totally different here in Germany where Noritake present themselves as maker-friendly and very forthcoming also regarding sales prices.
DeleteGreat guide. Two Booms repaired and sounding like new. Four new speakers from China via ebay for £55.
ReplyDeleteBitte schickt mir Eure Fragen ggf. an johannesfranke74@gmail.com. Posts hier bringen nicht viel, wenn sie anonym gestellt werden, weil ich sie dann nicht direkt beantworten kann.
ReplyDeleteSofern Eure Mails nicht im SPAM-Filter landen, werden sie zeitnah beantwortet. Danke! ;o)
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Johannes / Joe -- A big thank you to you. I just successfully replaced the woofers in my Squeezebox Boom. It happens that both were blown (!) -- one obvious, the other with a very slight tear. After a complete cleanup, including carefully swabbing of the tweeter cones with damp cotton, my Boom sounds and looks like new. Best regards, Peter
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ReplyDeleteFirst, thank you for the great and comprehensive guide.
I am also trying to replace the speakers of my Squeezebox Boom. What I'd like to ask is if you know if the speakers of a similar device - Logitech Pure-FI Express Plus - are interchangeable with the ones of the Squeezebox and can be used as replacement?
Best regards, Mladen
Great description, Joe. And very nice explanations, too, that everybody can understand. - Thank you so very much for working it out and sharing it here!
ReplyDeleteThanks for publishing these useful instructions. One note: you have a link to Simply Speakers for surrounds that do not fit the boom. (I know, because I ordered a pair.) I believe this link is for surrounds with the correct dimensions. www.simplyspeakers.com/FS-3P-3-FOAM-SURROUND-3-OD-2-ID-GRAY-ANGLE-ATTACH_p_3376.html . I can confirm once I receive them.
ReplyDeleteI can confirm www.simplyspeakers.com/FS-3P-3-FOAM-SURROUND-3-OD-2-ID-GRAY-ANGLE-ATTACH_p_3376.html surrounds are the correct surrounds to order. When I received them, the ID was 51 mm, but the OD was only 74 mm. However, after contacting Simply Speakers -- and receiving a speedy response, they suggested ***GENTLY*** stretching the surrounds before installing. That, indeed, returned the OD to 76 mm. I have to admit, though, it would be nice to find surrounds that were 78 mm OD. 76 mm is a tight fit on the frame.
ReplyDeleteThe surrounds are small, and I found it difficult to centre them on the speaker cone. Still, for my first attempt, I think things went well.
Hello, thanks for this great post but unfortunately I tried today with no luck… the glue perfectly stick on metal but not at all on the cone… may be it was because I chose the foam ?
ReplyDeleteNow I hope simply speakers will fit !
Sorry I thought that simplyspeakers sell a whole unit ! Too bad… (I bought foam and glue at http://speakerrepairshop.nl)
DeleteThe Simply Speakers surrounds are also foam. Their repair kit (if you order is, instead of only the surrounds) includes a solvent cement that is very sticky. That glue will definitely stick to the cone, but it sets quickly. Once contact is made with the cone, it is difficult to reposition the surround, should you accidently mount it off-centre.
DeleteI just finished securing the new surrounds from https://speakerrepairshop.nl along with their glue. It was quite an easy process -- you just need to take your time. I applied the glue thinly to the existing speaker surfaces and the new foam surrround. I noticed the glue will slightly absorb into the foam, so it acts like a primer to aid adhesion. Don't panic if your alignment is not perfect. The glue gives you plenty of time to work and make adjustments. I didn't need to use pegs or weights like with a previous (larger diameter) spaeker that I refoamed. Thanks for the guide. I just need to bolt everything back together. I now appreciate how well the Squeezebox Boom was assembled with rubber seals, glue, and foam wrapped cables to avoid any unwanted vibrations.
ReplyDeleteGreat guide, thank you, it has saved my Boombox from the scrap heap!
ReplyDeleteThis is a real pre-web2.0 gem of a post.
ReplyDeleteThank you a ton dear sir for posting it in such a detailed and caring form.
Another squeezebox saved because of you!
Hi Joe, like the above folk, I am really grateful for the excellent run-through of how to fix the Boom woofers. 15 years old, they finally gave out. I purchased a pair of Faital Pro 3FE25 units from Blue Aran Sales in the UK, total cost £32. The lugs are slightly larger so when screwed down the speakers are marginally off-centre, but it all went back together perfectly and sounds absolutely as good as new. Thought the speaker info might be useful. Thanks very much indeed
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